From what we've seen from the spirit bomb, it takes most if not all of the person's energy to the point where standing can be difficult. Genki makes up only a portion of an individual's entire ki, so actually yes, it would mean that their genki is below Goku's if their ki level is below Goku's ki level. Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. Most people think that because he doesn't have god power yet. "7th Universe's Energy Sphere") is a powerful version of the Spirit Bomb, used by Goku in the Tournament of Power. In any event I don't think that the Spirit Bombs power is supposed to scale linearly. Against Boo they'd already beaten him and didn't need it. Discussion. I'm not sure that God ki would even be compatible with the Spirit Bomb. Nowhere has that ever been stated. Conclusion. For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. Theres no direct rule against it only attacking fighters inside the ring from outside, which he didnt do. Gave their love energy or whatever to Ribrianne. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. It would appear that there are ways to defeat Buu other than with Goku’s spirit bomb. Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. Maybe a normal human giving their energy might have issues, but Gohan, Piccolo, and Frieza are not normal humans. What happened is, that Goku was draining all his energy trying to hold back the bomb. As the Spirit Bomb about to collide with Goku, he screams as he tries as hard as he can to resist. Multi galaxy level striking? I mean, it really isn't terribly consistent because, like Goku thought, they could have just summoned Gohan to the Supreme Kai planet to whup Kid Buu but instead they took the Genki route, and apparently Gohan's energy + those of the others who knew Goku wasn't enough to kill Buu- they needed the rest of the Earth's population to contribute. Made by the talented PokéMixr92 *I DO NOT OWN DRAGON BALL. Like I said, Krillin had access to Senzu beans and probably gave enough that he was exhausted afterwards, and we saw that making the difference vs Majin Buu with just regular humans giving the energy. Nothing about the spirit bomb here makes sense, from the strategy behind it to the power it had. In fact yeah Zeno is clearly the metaphorical representation of the audience. Goku also busted through Hit's personal Dimension in SSJB in the Anime. It's not like genki is a different energy separate from ki, but rather one of the components that make up an individual's ki. Why the fuck do you all think Gohan is so which? Close. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy. In his universe he is considered the best hero of Justice. U2 GoD gave love enrgy to Ribrianne so Zeno doesn't care about that kind of help, It's not Toriyama as far as we know, it's Toei. This thread is archived. Unlikely, but it could be the case for all we know. 16:33. Keep in mind that regular humans don't have ki control (or really an idea of what ki is in general). WE know because we're the audience. However, the Spirit Bomb isnt mandatory for Goku going into this form from now on. If I'm honest with you I think the best explanation is that the writers and the audience are basically Zeno. So, base upon this evidence looking at both sides. Here are some facts about their rivalry in the Tournament of Power. The 'Dimensional'. harperqaa4310. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. That wasnt the main point either. Logically , Jiren should no sell the universal spirit bomb , because he destroyed SSBx20 KK , which is way stronger than the universe level SSG . So what, they gave even less than their max energy which we already determined was insignificant(which would be a new thing that we didn't know the spirit bomb could do, take specific fractions of energy)? Jiren glares the bomb back at GT Goku just like he did to DBS Goku. [Discussion] Jiren vs. - Page 4. Happens in the movie, manga and the anime retelling so yeah take your pick. Gohan is thousands of times weaker than Goku? They wouldn't notice or care all that much that it doesn't make sense. the Multi-Solar System+++//Low-Galactic Physicals of SSJG Goku are way above any feat in GT, including Omega Shenrons negative-energy threatening to destroy the Universe. Stream Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos from desktop or your mobile device. Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. The wiki says Goku's spirit bomb had enough power to kill him, and that Kefla as a SSJ2 had more power than that. He should be at least final form Frieza level now tho, which is pretty strong. Why would Gohan who is hundreds if not thousands of times weaker than Goku, Piccolo, who is hundreds of times weaker than Gohan, and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? Spirit Bomb #2" - Page 4. If it did, it never would have worked as well as it did at any point in the series. They wouldn't have given all their strength to the Spirit Bomb, they have the entire tournament to complete. Vegito was able to penetrate Buu's Barrier while he was collapsing the fabric of Space Time on itself also. 1 1 Plague Punches People in the Face. The Spirit Bomb energy was temporary, but gave Goku the ability to maintain the new form for the short time he did. Click to expand ... where he'd completely dominate Jiren until Goku giving the finishing blow in the ultimate MUI Goku vs Jiren. A popular fan theory is that Goku will actually absorb his Spirit Bomb, which will cause this unique new form. Unless you're referring to the anime, which was not what I was talking about. 1 Overview 2 Usage 3 Video Game Appearances 4 Trivia It is a Super Spirit Bomb powered byTeam Universe 7. But Jiren doesn't seem malicious at all, so why on Earth did Goku think that the spirit bomb would of worked on Jiren even if he hadn't been so OP that he could deflect it? From what we've seen from the spirit bomb, it takes most if not all of the person's energy to the point where standing can be difficult. Krilling was stronger than all the Ginyu force except Ginyu himself back during the fight with Freeza so its not impossible for him to have gotten to Ginyu's level by now, but again their battle power doesn't entirely translate directly to how much genki they can give. Strong enough to make Jiren move a muscle? How did Goku expect the Spirit Bomb to be effective against Jiren? 32 comments. The Saiyan is apparently obliterated by his own move, but Zeno and Future Zeno overseeing the tournament allow the competition to continue since it was Goku's own attack. Goku now has the form, and shattered his limits. Did you watch episode 90? ... 7 The Spirit Bomb Couldn't Handle Jiren's Right Hand. But the people from Universe I don't-even-care-to-remember-the-number... was it two? Unlikely, but it could be the case for all we know. Ultra Instinct Vegito Bloodsucker. I get what you're saying though: why did they think it would? They also don't have a lot of ki to spare. It was yet another case of Toriyama using literally anything as a means to an end, even if it does make sense and contradicts everything established in the hundreds of chapters/episodes of the original series, the end in this case being another asspull of Goku getting UI. Maybe a normal human giving their energy might have issues, but Gohan, Piccolo, and Frieza are not normal humans. For all they know, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku pushing the Spirit Bomb should've been enough to hurt Jiren. Presumably it also uses some of Goku's energy as well, and Freeza DID contribute... and the skill seems to amplify the Genki (or else it's just that strong on its own) because it has a much greater effect than just taking ki from the donors would. Goku then goes X20 Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken, forcing Jiren to let out more power to push the attack right back. The Z-Fighters give energy to the Spirit Bomb and are able to function just fine. Goku Throws Spirit Bomb At Jiren - Dragon Ball Super Episode 109 English Sub. I can't comprehend this especially for those who'ev watched DBZ. Major Events. Just curious. Why did Goku decide to use the Spirit Bomb against Jiren? Spirit Bomb #2 Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. And keep in mind they didn't have a bar for how strong Jiren was at the moment. They just know he's strong. That spirit bomb was a joke when stacked up against Jiren. Goku Spirit Bomb was the only way to do so and that move was never once suggested there. feel free to … Caring about cool things and erasing the show into oblivion by just not watching it if we are not pleased inb4 I'll quit watching if Caulifla gets ssb /s. Just curious. 3 years ago 30. Jiren Deflects The Spirit Bomb | Dragon Ball Super Episode 110 English Dub Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. When it blew, it "killed" Goku outright. They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. Lol I would truly love to see those Battle of Gods feats that allow SSG Goku to defeat GT Goku, Baby, Super 17 or Syn Shenron. So SSJB Kefla would win since Blue is a lot stronger than 2. Krillin and Tien even say exactly what you said. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos published on 2017-12-08T19:14:13Z. Bringing him to life again in a way. I'd love to see some base gt Goku feats on that level. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "[Discussion] Jiren vs. share. Challenge: Explain the Spirit Bomb vs. Jiren. Spirit Bomb uses Genki not ki so Vegeta might not actually have much more to add than they do. And in terms of how Goku couldve matched Jiren if he absorbed the energy, well Whis actually fully explains how this was possible. Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. Well the reason is because Goku didnt exactly absorb the Spirit Bomb. Disney Heroes Episode: Goku VS Jiren Rated: TV-PG (fv) 1 About the Episode 2 Act 1 3 Act 2 4 Quotes 5 Gallery In this Episode, Goku and Jiren battle each other during the Universes Tournament Final as they test their Powers to the limit. But the energy entering his body acted as a sort of temporary boost. if you are a dbz fan, you've got to check my posts! Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. Moments before we saw U2 leding Ribrienne their "love" and she grew wings, it seemed meant to show that sort of thing is fine because its not against any specific rule. Archived. Eh, Jiren still wins, I guess. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? Jiren vs Goku- Will Jiren stop the Spirit Bomb? Also the target audience for this show are little kids. We only see this in the case of the regular humans. Jiren stops the coming Spirit Bomb with a single hand, unimpressed by the attack, and redirects it back to Goku. Goku Spirit Bomb Vs Kid Buu Attack. Remember, this was a last ditch effort, Goku needed to get the most power he could in one attack if he was gonna even challenge Jiren. save hide report. My first issue is that spirit bomb without Vegeta should have been weak as hell. No problem here because Zeno does not seem to care. SoundCloud. @thekinfing said: Jiren starestomps. Shattering the barrier, and pushing him to the new level. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? the issue is him saying that it always saved them, it never did, only in the movies did it do anything to the villain. Super. Then Ann & Goku powers up to Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct for the event as they absorbed the Spirit Bomb. It drains normal humans, but every time we have seen the Z-fighters do it they seem perfectly fine. It didn't, as we saw. Giving energy isnt against the rules. @xanman2000: Well, I certainly don't remember multi-galaxy level feats so I would like to know when that happens. If he absorbed the Spirit Bomb, which didnt do anything to Jiren, it doesnt explain how that could make him match Jiren. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If he could give his energy, then Beerus should have also been able to give his energy, and that could have actually worked. We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. Universal spirit bomb vs Jiren (with a few rules) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Even Piccolo, how is significantly weaker than Goku was still above Ssj2 Gohan level. We have never seen that giving Genki to the Genki Dama drains you fighting energy. and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? 56% Upvoted. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Does Jiren's Spirit Bomb end the arguments about Kid Buu > Super Buu?" We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. Jiren doesnt even need to stare it, he could just no sell it. It gathers all of their energy and uses it in one massive attack all at once. When that energy entered him, it mixed and collided with Gokus own energy, and his willingness to resist the energy that was killing him. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. who’s regeneration is incredible putting both Piccolo and Cell to shame. Jiren vs Goku Spirit Bomb Scene Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. The result of that is that Goku was able to tap into the deeper potential inside himself. How did Goku expect the Spirit Bomb to be effective against Jiren? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! So basically SSJB Vegito vs Jiren? A spirit bomb battle is entertaining. Also laughing at the people saying that busting through a Dimensional Barrier is impressive in GT... Super Buu was able to do the same thing before absorbing Gohan. FWIW they have Senzu beans, and Goku doesn't HAVE to take all of their energy. Why was he allowed to give his energy? They'll put in inconsistencies and nonsensical plot points just because they think it's cool or would look cool. I post about all db series & I'd like to express my randomness, i love pokemon, naruto, marvel, dc and all old cn. Of course, Jiren vs Goku was the best fight of the tournament as both of them pushed each other to their limits and in the end, Jiren came out on top. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. If nothing else, seeing the Spirit Bomb outright bounced back instead of exploding and failing to kill its target (like with Freeza) was a blow. Jiren (ジレン), also known as Jiren the Grey (灰色のジレン, Haiiro no Jiren), is a fictional character from the Dragon Ball media franchise by Akira Toriyama.Within the series, Jiren hails from Universe 11, a parallel universe to Universe 2. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. The Spirit Bomb does not affect good people. In conclusion, with a little bit of thinking, things make sense. Hit wouldn't choose the lose the U6 tournament if not for Goku's performance. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy, Universe 2 did the same thing like 5 minutes earlier and were fine. Krillin gave his energy, sure. Discussion. Gohan was only in his base form, not his Ultimate form, when donating his genki to Goku's Genki Dama, and Freeza wasn't in his Golden Freeza form either, thus both were donating their genki in forms far from their maximum. That's a win for Goku's account. Yet Gohan and Piccolo are still fighting like it's nothing. 7)Then Goku goes UI which is objectively above the spirit bomb and Jiren still beats him. Goku finally fights against Jiren. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. So the take away is that, Goku was being fueled by the Spirit Bomb energy, which is what gave him the energy to keep his new form going. So, what made Goku use it? Goku launches the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb against Jiren… He is a member of the Pride Troopers, a heroic organization who are organized around defending their universe from evildoers. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. Presumably it wasn't, since Beerus didn't take his chance. Cookies help us deliver our Services. My bad I forgot Frieza gave his energy...I actually assumed he didn't because...well he gave energy to Goku like 30 seconds later lol. Did you not watch the movie? Krillin was an ineligible being on the sidelines, at that point he was on the same level of participation as literally everyone else not in the arena. Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. Universe 7's Spirit Bomb (第7宇宙の元気玉, Dai Nana Uchū no Genki-dama, lit. As for everyone else, Freeza is SSB level, 17 has been shown to be at least above Ssj Goku, 18, Krillin, Tien and Roshi have also gotten much stronger recently. Uh what? Really, I dare you to find feats in that movie that surpass Base GT Goku's dimension busting. But in the future, we can assume he'll be able to tap into UI just like any other form, once he masters it and has proper time to get used to it. 6)add 4 years of training and multiple zenkai’s, SSB and Kaiokenx20 and Jiren still stomped. The film, which made the Legendary Super Saiyan Dragon Ball canon, saw Frieza orchestrate a fight between his two biggest enemies and Broly, a Saiyan capable of accessing an insan Posted by 2 years ago. New comments cannot be … Also jiren seems like the benevolent good guy so(read the jiren and buddha post) he can reflect it back. Why would they give all their strength to defeat a singular opponent? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? Honestly that Ball probably weaker than SSJ Blue Goku in TOP. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? Dragon Ball Super will air Goku's battle with Jiren in Episode 109 on October 8th. Going by the spirit bomb feat , Jiren loses . Goku knows that Toppo and Jiren fight for justice and are good people.

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